Sam Beli

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  Organ donation?

  by xenawarrior in

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  i know i read that at one time organ donation was something forbidden and then after a while it became a conscience matter for jw's.

  (someone correct me if i'm wrong please).

  i was watching a television show last week about a very interesting triple liver transplantation involving "live donors".

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  Sam Beli

  "I think they have found plenty of cases where people weren't legally dead before they removed parts."

  If you are referring to "removing parts" for transplantation, please give us a factual example with documentation.

  "They do have to take the organs immediately after life signs extinquish?"

  Not true in most western nations where brain death is the criteria for death. Donor organs can be kept viable long after the brain is dead. Perhaps you are referring to those areas of the world where cessation of a heartbeat is the definition of death. Waiting until there is no cardiac function does make organ donation very difficult.

  "I realy don't trust hospitals, if money is involve"

  "Hospitals" do not make decisions about when death occurs.
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  A "Bloody" Question -- Hospital bound...!

  by Rabbit in

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  i will be having major back surgery within a month.

  also, has there been a change on giving & storing your own blood to be used if needed ?

  i know, i know...most of you may be way past this issue now...i am still teetering.

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  Sam Beli

  Transplants became okay in 1980. You can confirm that here: http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/

  Look under "Organ Transplants

  Also look under "Blood," etc.

  Another site worth looking at is WWW.AJWRB.org/

  Good Luck,

  Sam
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  Has the countdown begun???

  by Poztate in

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  i seem to have noticed lately an increasing number of persons that have declared that they are fading and soon will be out.along with these ones there are also seemingly a large number of new ones signing up with this board.. do you thing that this will show up as a "blip" on the wt radar screen when a large number of people opt out at the same time???.

  i hope so !!!!!

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  Sam Beli

  Thanks for your response, Still. I will get back to you soon, but I am very tired right now.

  Sam
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  Has the countdown begun???

  by Poztate in

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  i seem to have noticed lately an increasing number of persons that have declared that they are fading and soon will be out.along with these ones there are also seemingly a large number of new ones signing up with this board.. do you thing that this will show up as a "blip" on the wt radar screen when a large number of people opt out at the same time???.

  i hope so !!!!!

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  Sam Beli

  Surprised that no one else has commented on what stillajw said in this thread. It is important that all understand his mistake so that it is not repeated by others.

  Sam
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  Has the countdown begun???

  by Poztate in

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  i seem to have noticed lately an increasing number of persons that have declared that they are fading and soon will be out.along with these ones there are also seemingly a large number of new ones signing up with this board.. do you thing that this will show up as a "blip" on the wt radar screen when a large number of people opt out at the same time???.

  i hope so !!!!!

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  Stilljwexelder said: " There is a strong possibility -- -the only things that will change this are another catacylismic event similar to 9/11 or some major medical breakthrough which proves that JWs were right about blood transfusions all along -- nothing else can save them ."

  Why would you say that? The JW reason for abstinence from blood is a religious argument! It has nothing to do with medical science.

  Your statement above shows that you have fallen into the trap set for you by the WTS wherein they turn the blood issue into what is "healthy" for a person, what the dangers and side effects are. The WTS has set itself up as a medical advisory service (an area in which it has absolutely no qualifications) rather than a religion.

  I am sure that you just miss-spoke, still, but I could not let your statement go unchallenged.

  Sam
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  JW friends came to visit -- happy ending!

  by cruzanheart in

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  thursday afternoon i picked up three friends of ours from england: a dear elderly jw lady (who hates that term) who is headed for 80 faster than she'd like, her son, and her son-in-law.

  son hasn't been "in" the witnesses for years and years and years -- drifted out -- and sil is an elder.

  i was nervous.

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  Hi Nina,

  I am sure glad that your weekend went well for your sake. Who knows, maybe you "planted another seed."

  Your encounter with these friends shows that there are some good people among JWs, folks with the best of intentions. Eventually, many of the good ones will be "given enough grief" to leave on their own, just like you and I did.

  Warm regards,

  Sam
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  I need a hug (vent)

  by Billygoat in

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  why is it i always end up working for companies that don't give a crap about their employees well-being?

  i've been here since march as a temp; got a full-time offer in december and almost immediately the workload has increased and there is no new hires are on the horizon.

  the political games in some of these departments is mind-blowing.

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  Sam Beli

  "Fortune" publishes its list of 100 best companies to work for. You can get a look at the list here: http://www.fortune.com/fortune/bestcompanies

  Hope tomorrow is a better day for you, Andi.

  Regards,

  Sam
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  Are JW"S coerced to refuse blood transfusions?

  by fearnotruth22 in

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  jesus showed the intended purpose of god's laws, when he worked on the sabath, avoided answering the tax question, forgave sinners that were commanded to be put to death by god's law, etc.

  what jesus showed when he seemed to be offending god to fanatics was that saving life is more important that obedience to laws.

  whatever god meant when he enjoined "abstinance from blood" to christians as belived by the wt, or when he commanded noah not to eat blood, and whatever the meaning is for people today of the laws that prevent the eating of blood and restricted the use of blood, certainly, based the way that jesus showed how god's laws should be applied, it makes sense that god did not mean that one should obey blood laws when eating or transfusing blood is the only means at hand to survive.

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  Sam Beli

  Yes Wednesday, these blood patrol elders are persistent buggers, aren?t they? Like you, after making the mistake of telling the hospital that I was a JW and getting the HLC breathing down my neck, I made sure the next time I checked into that hospital to have JW taken off every record. It requires persistence on our part to double check with admitting clerks, nurses, business and social workers as well as physicians, so that all fully understand that we are no longer a JW.
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  Are JW"S coerced to refuse blood transfusions?

  by fearnotruth22 in

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  jesus showed the intended purpose of god's laws, when he worked on the sabath, avoided answering the tax question, forgave sinners that were commanded to be put to death by god's law, etc.

  what jesus showed when he seemed to be offending god to fanatics was that saving life is more important that obedience to laws.

  whatever god meant when he enjoined "abstinance from blood" to christians as belived by the wt, or when he commanded noah not to eat blood, and whatever the meaning is for people today of the laws that prevent the eating of blood and restricted the use of blood, certainly, based the way that jesus showed how god's laws should be applied, it makes sense that god did not mean that one should obey blood laws when eating or transfusing blood is the only means at hand to survive.

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  Sam Beli

  Wednesday said:

  Every time I have been in, they come around to check my chart and look over stuff

  They have no business looking at your chart. In all hospitals that I am familiar with, the chart is off-limits to all but necessary medical personal. If hospital liaison committee members, or other elders are looking at your chart, some how, you have every right to raise a stink with the medical authorities, hospital administration, your physician, etc.

  When I was in a similar position, I told the hospital "no visitors" and posted a guard at the door. The guard was my spouse who happened to be in sympathy with my acceptance of blood products when needed.
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  Why does the Society "go beyond what is written" re blood?

  by Waymores Ghost in

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  this may sound somewhat cynical, but i think the society has held to it's position on blood in order to create a never-ending supply of martyrs.

  martyrs are needed for the society to hold up as shining examples of faith and devotion.

  this sense of self-sacrifice helps them tow the line with regards to all of their insane rules.. wg

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  Sam Beli

  Well said TD.

  However, in this instance:

  They can pass directly through the stomach wall

  Technically, I think it would be better to say "intestinal wall."

  Sam